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World Cup Groups, by the Ratings and Polls

The 2006 World Cup Final in Berlin. (Photo city vhs wm/Fickr)

The 2006 World Cup Final in Berlin. (Photo city vhs wm/Fickr)

Since Friday's World Cup draw, you've read and heard a lot of opinions about which groups are strongest, weakest, top-heavy or E.A.S.Y.  It is by intention that you have heard little of those opinions here (though I was not above doing that at other places, like here and here).

To be honest, I believe good analysis is done in spans, not moments, and I did not feel comfortable posting my knee-jerk reactions.  In the great comments threads (herehere) we had in the wake of the draw?  No problem.  That's a different context.  For a post, however, I wanted to be deliberative.

At least for this topic, I wanted to be deliberative.

This weekend, I spent a lot of time talking with other analysts (read: my family - it is the holidays), reporters (bill collectors), fans (the counter help at Lefty's, the pizza place down the street), as well as contemplating any holes in my own analysis (otherwise known as "talking to a 22 oz. of Sapporo").  Now, I'm ready (if a bit dehydrated).

Over the next four days, I will be looking at each of the groups, talking about each nation's strengths and weaknesses, using that to inform where I feel each quartet falls on the spectrum between "Group of Death" and "Tribe of Life."  Later today, I'll roll out my views on the Tribe of Life - the draw's easiest group.

But before I start that series, I wanted to share a small part of my research, comparing of a number of "quantitative" views of team strength.

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I say "quantitative" because one of the four systems I use is a poll: the aforementioned Set Piece Analysts poll.  The other three measures are the December FIFA World Rankingthe latest Elo Rating, and the new Soccer Power Index at Soccernet (developed by Nate Silver of PECOTA, Baseball Prospectus and FiveThirtyEight.com fame).

While it would be helpful if I took some time to explain how each of these ranking systems work, that will need to wait for another time (soon, though).  What's important for today's analysis is the differences in output.  Limiting ourselves to qualified teams:

  • Elo's rating system has a highest rating of 2081 (Brazil) and a low of 1508 (South Africa).
  • FIFA's ratings go from Spain's 1622 to South Africa's 377, a much broader range.
  • The Soccer Power Index yields a high of 88.6 for Brazil to North Korea's low of 56.9, a much more narrow numerical range.
  • Set Piece Analyst's highest point total is 286 (Brazil) but goes all the way down to 9 (New Zealand).

First, a reminder about the group composition, which will be referenced throughout this piece:

Group A Group E
South Africa
Mexico
Uruguay
France
Netherlands
Denmark
Japan
Cameroon
Group B Group F
Argentina
Nigeria
South Korea
Greece
Italy
Paraguay
New Zealand
Slovakia
Group C Group G
England
United States
Algeria
Slovenia
Brazil
North Korea
Cote d'Ivoire
Portugal
Group D Group H
Germany
Australia
Serbia
Ghana
Spain
Switzerland
Chile
Honduras

 

With that in mind, we can start asking some questions. First, according to each measure, which group is strongest?

I took the ratings for each team, by each measure, and figured out the average (mean):

Table A Elo FIFA SPI SPA
Groups, by mean rating Group Rating Group Rating Group Rating Group Rating
Toughest H 1854.5 H 1053 H 79.3 G 176.5
E 1830.25 G 1025 E 78.1 E 175.3
G 1799.25 E 964.5 D 77.48 D 172.3
D 1798.4 D 918 G 76.85 H 152.3
Weakest B 1776.75 C 905.5 C 76.68 B 136.5
A 1759.75 B 896.5 A 75.28 F 130.5
C 1740.5 A 832.5 B 75.15 C 124.5
F 1710.25 F 804.8 F 70.48 A 119

 

Amongst the quantitative systems, there is agreement.  Group H is the toughest group, a conclusion that runs counter to almost everybody's weekend analysis.  Though we've heard talk of Groups G and D and even a little about E, few are thinking Group H is the toughest group despite the average rating of Spain, Switzerland, Chile, and Honduras being the highest (according to our three rating systems).

What are the systems missing that the analysts aren't?

It isn't so much what the systems are missing; rather, it is what they are dwelling upon.  Consider the FIFA rating, where Spain and Brazil are each over 300 points ahead of the third-place Netherlands.  When you use a statistical mean to look at a group, an outlier can end up skewing the measurement.  Spain and Brazil are huge outliers by the pure FIFA rating, and that's part of the reason groups H and G are one-two per FIFA (but no other system).

Similar effects can be seen within Elo.

The only group that is in the top three of all four measurements:  Group E, consisting of the Netherlands, Cameroon, Denmark, and Japan.  Group E finishes second with three of our systems.

On the other end of the scale, Group F fares the worst, and it's not very close.  By all three analytics, they are markedly behind seventh place.  Again the Set Piece Analysts see a different world, with Group A being their weakest quartet.

To make the numbers a little easier to look at, I reproduce Table A (below), but instead of producing the ratings, I give you the ranking.  This will allow you to look at a group (say, H), their ranking (say, 18.5, by FIFA) and correlate that with a team (which would be Switzerland, per FIFA).

Or, more directly, you can say "the average team in that group is about 18th in the world?

"Seems like a tough group, for a 32-team tournament."

However, the table is not exactly the same. Notice that the order changes when you look at the teams by rank instead of rate.

Table B Elo FIFA SPI SPA
Groups, by mean ranking Group Rank Group Rank Group Rank Group Rank
Toughest E 14.25 H 18.5 H 16.5 G 12.75
H 16.75 E 20.75 E 18.5 E 13.25
D 20 D 21 D 19.25 D 13.25
B 22.5 C 21 C 25.5 H 16
Weakest A 28.75 B 23.5 A 26.25 F 17.75
G 29.25 G 26.75 G 27.25 B 18.5
C 30.75 A 28.5 B 28.5 C 19.75
F 39.25 F 36.25 F 42.75 A 20.25

 

If we're still looking within the individual systems, why does the order change when we switch from rating to ranking?

Consider our Spain example. Spain is over 300 points ahead of the Netherlands in the FIFA world ranking, about the same point distance between the third-place Dutch and fifteenth place Mexico. When you go by ranking, the distance gets narrowed to  a flat "two."  Two places from Holland in the FIFA ranking: Portugal.

Again, we see Group E serve as the consensus, tough group, though H is still favored by two measurements.  Group F still looks easy.

As we move through the upcoming week, with my group analysis being posted, I will be referencing these measures.  When I talk about Group E (and that will obviously be later in the week), I will reference their Elo, FIFA, SPI, and SPA "ranks" to give everybody an idea of what The World Beyond Richard (as I like to call it) thinks of the groups.

There are two more tables I want to share with you, but I will warn you:  a lot of you will want to tune out at this point.  I'm going to bring in a simple way of measuring variance (under the guise of assessing group depth), and while it's neither complicated nor something that's beyond the people who read this blog, it is a level of analysis that turns a lot of people off.

Consider that your disclaimer.  

Now, let's look at each of the groups in terms of the standard deviation.  I present Table C unordered, by rating (not ranking), and I'll go into the implications of using standard deviation, below the table:

Table C - Standard Deviation of Group Ratings Elo FIFA SPI SPA
Group A 171.7 319.2 8.1 70.3
Group B 66.9 207.3 5.9 55.8
Group C 167.8 140.8 7.3 80.7
Group D 103.5 181.6 4.2 73.4
Group E 114.5 249 14.5 68.3
Group F 166.8 321 10.2 93.2
Group G 235.4 499.1 13.8 114.8
Group H 151.8 389.8 6.3 83.7

 

As with the ratings, the standard deviations of the groups' ratings are meaningless when comparing across systems, but when you look at the systems in isolation, you get a good idea of the relative balance of the groups.  Looking at Elo, Group B is by far the most balanced, with Group G being the most unbalanced.

How does that work? A standard deviation is a quick measurement of how much the groups' values (data points, observations) differ from the group's average.  If you have a group with an average rating of  50, the ratings of the four members could be 1, 2, 98 and 99, or they could be 48, 49, 51, and 52.  Those are two entirely different groups, but their average (mean, or also median, in this case) is the same: 50.  

The standard deviations of those two groups would be wildly different.  The first group would have a high value, while the second's would be low.

Standard deviation is telling us that, per Elo, Group B is very balanced.  Of course, FIFA sees Group C as the most balanced.  Just because we're getting fancier with our measurements doesn't mean we're going to reach an accord.  In fact, SPI sees a different group as most balanced:  Group D.

While standard deviation gives us a clue about balance, it is not a good measurement when you're trying to determine more than mere parity, and I want to use it to give us some idea about group strength.  To do that, I need to reference the group's average.  Standard deviation is a measurement relative to that average, but it does not care whether that average is a high or low value.  By coming up with a measure that takes the average into account, we can get a very idea of quality and depth.

In our final table, I take the averages from Table A and subtract the deviation.  This usage is anything but scientific, but if gives us a loose idea of a statistical floor - a minimal quality of the group.

(For those statistically inclined:  a.) I apologize, b.) using the rigor of z=-2 as the floor is not the purpose, as the concept of a Group of Death is inconsistent with considering such a large conceptual range.)

Here are those results:

Table D Elo FIFA SPI SPA
Groups, by variance adjusted mean Group Rank Group Rank Group Rank Group Rank
Toughest E 1715.74 C 764.7 E 73.6 E 106.9
B 1709.84 D 736.4 D 73.3 D 98.9
H 1702.72 E 715.5 H 73.0 B 80.7
D 1695.02 B 689.2 C 69.4 H 68.5
Weakest A 1588.07 H 662.7 B 69.2 G 61.71
C 1572.75 G 525.6 A 67.2 A 48.7
G 1563.8 A 513.5 G 63.1 C 43.9
F 1543.5 F 48.3 F 60.2 F 37.3

 

Since we're relying on variance, this measurement will not work with rankings. We have to look at the ratings.

Again, Group F looks like the easiest quartet, and even when we switch to this new measurement - designed to tease out some of the outlying ratings - Group E looks like the deepest, by consensus.

Of course, the surprise by this measure is the FIFA columns.  Group C, when you use this measure of quality and depth, comes out on top?  I would caution you to think both about the quality of teams like Slovenia and Algeria as well as the limits of this method and the quality of FIFA's ranking.

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Thanks for the anlaysis....

now my head hurts!

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 7, 2009 2:39 PM EST reply actions  

Mine too ...

…. I’m not sure that I’m 100% happy I did this. I’m going to be dreaming about plots and sum of squares animations.

Can’t we just talk soccer, Farley!? :)

by Richard Farley on Dec 7, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder how relevant...

deviations, etc. are in International Soccer/Football. I understand it in analyzing fantasy football and baseball, but can you statistically compare teams or groups of teams who may have no common opponents in the last 5 years or so?

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 7, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think ...

… they are relevant at all, when assessing team quality, to be honest Esteban. FIFA has South Korea rated below 50. That’s indefensible.

I think they are relevant when you’re talking about perception, and I wanted this article to be able to perceptions of easy groups, the perceptions of difficult groups.

My rankings, which will be released over the next four days, will be filled with tactical and stylistic observations. Those observations are very prone to error, but they get away from rigid rating systems.

by Richard Farley on Dec 7, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand...

you need some metric to try and evaluate the strength of one group as compared to another. Again, I applaud your efforts. One of the perceived easy groups will probably come down to a stoppage time goal on the last match day and one of the “death” groups will end up being anti-climatic. That’s the nature of football.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 7, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed ...

… I think this post was to provide context for what’s coming the rest of this week.

I completely agree with your observations regarding the groups, and I think a lot of that comes down to perception. If Algeria gets out of Group C, I’m not going to be surprised at all, but if you look over at Daily Soccer Fix, the bookies think both Slovenia and Algeria are acres worse than the U.S. That’s perception.

In this World Cup there’s the elite (Brazil, Spain, etc.), weak (New Zealand, North Korea), and the nations in between are no separated by much.

And it’s going to be a great World Cup for exactly those reasons.

by Richard Farley on Dec 7, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Other than rooting on the US....

I’m interested to see in what gut wrenching way England gets knocked out. So much talent, so little results.

I won’t be shocked if the US doesn’t get out of the group stage. I could see them losing to England and tying the other two matches and then one of the other two teams sneaking ahead.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 7, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

England

They usually get knocked out by Germany, often in a penalty shoot out. Can’t go against tradition.

Blame my wife!
Waiting until August 2010

by sir eccles on Dec 7, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

And given the English's lucky ...

… Germany will stumble once in group, somebody like Ghana will go 3-0-0, and Germany will meet England in the Round of 16.

by Richard Farley on Dec 7, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

You're making me think ...

… of that Beckham video on YouTube that has him and Roy Keane (impersonations) talking over that The Streets song.

by Richard Farley on Dec 7, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

That's a viable scenario ...

… and I don’t think the U.S. fanbase should be necessarily upset if their guys play hard for three games but still end up 0-2-1.

About England: They could face Ghana in the round of 16. If you support the three Lions, how do you like the chances of Gareth Barry trying to contain Michael Essien?

by Richard Farley on Dec 7, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

True...

but could Ghana contain Rooney and Defoe?

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 7, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Possibly ...

… but thankfully for Ghana, Rooney and Defoe would only be on the pitch together if Ghana is ahead.

The problem will be linking up. Can England link up with Rooney when they have no athletic, creative presence in midfield to get through Ghana’s strength.

by Richard Farley on Dec 7, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I haven't seen too many...

England games. How do they use Gerrard (sp? – I can’t spell, I’m sorry) and Lampard and can they give Rooney service? Why doesn’t/won’t England use Rooney and Defoe together?

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 7, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

England ...

… won’t use the two of those strikers together because Fabio Capello, with England, has preferred to use a big-man, little-man partnership, which is why Emile Heskey continues to get a chance with the national team without being able to hold down a spot in Aston Villa’s starting XI. Defoe turns into Rooney’s understudy and a late match substitute, while Wayne’s partnership choices have been Heskey, Peter Crouch, and Carlton Cole.

Given Rooney service is one thing, but linking up is another. Capello often likes to put Gerard left and allow him to jump into attack, particularly as Heskey is holding up play. With this role, Gerard isn’t much for link-up play.

In the middle, Capello has used Gareth Barry and Frank Lampard. These are both solid players, but as we’ve seen this year at Chelsea (where, early in the season, Frank played at the top of Ancelotti’s midfield diamond), relying on Lampard as that last link into attack does seem to work anymore. I am actually a bit confused as to why, but Lampard’s been better after he’s moved back to a central role. Deco (and Joe Cole, a bit) now plays the top of the diamond.

This sets up a quandary for England. They don’t have an athletes like Essien. They don’t have a distributor like Xavi. They don’t even have somebody with the creativity and skill as a Wesley Sneijder. They have a bunch of players that are very indicative of the English style, and unfortunately that might be a match for teams that have a strong presence in the middle: Essien and Muntari.

Just my thoughts.

by Richard Farley on Dec 7, 2009 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Corrections ...

2nd p: Given = Giving
3rd p: does seem to work = doesn’t seem to work.

by Richard Farley on Dec 7, 2009 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

2nd p: Given = Giving

Freudian slip?

I believe you meant Given = owns Lampard

A man gotta have a code

by CP2Devil on Dec 9, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you...

I enjoy the game from the fan perspective, but need to do some catching up on the tactics.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 7, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey ...

.. that’s part of what I’m here for!

by Richard Farley on Dec 7, 2009 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Gerrard

He really flourished as second striker toward the end of last season for Liverpool. I wonder if Capello has considered him for that role for England.

England has been firing on all cylinders recently, but I’m not sure what they offer this year that they didn’t have last Cup. A more mature Wayne Rooney and more pace on the right wing, but also no Owen Hargreaves playing out of his mind, presumably.

Not mediocre. Right about average

by trza on Dec 8, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

No Way

I’de be out for blood.

by Cool Dudes on Dec 7, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Good to know ...

… a lot of times, I miss on my assessments of the fanbase’s feelings. I’m too analytical and look at these type of issues in too sterile of a way.

So if anybody who supports any side want to let me know how they feel, it can only help my analysis.

by Richard Farley on Dec 7, 2009 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

i’m not a big fan of the rating sistems used in futbol, but following american sports it is clear that it’s a big part of your culture.

with that said i was a surprised by how high group E was ranked, i mean it`s a tough group but no more than D or G but the Netherlands being rank higher than Germany (if this two teams face off in the world cup, i’ll go with Germany) and the fact that North Korea it’s extremely weak, and i still consider that group H is not that strong, maybe the 5th or 6th strongest

"Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that." Bill Shankly

And Vincent saw the corn
And Einstein the number
And Zeppelin the Zeppelin
And Johan saw the ball
--Dutch cabaret song

by SantiagoColombia on Dec 7, 2009 3:10 PM EST reply actions  

I'm not a fan, either ...

… I brought up South Korea in my last comment (indefensibly ranked below 50 by FIFA). Elo has Algeria at 56. I find that also difficult to believe.

I don’t think we should put much stock in rating systems, when we start talking about the sport in the detail I’d like these comments threads to carry. As a broad stroke, as this article tries to be (broadly assessing perceptions of groups), they do serve a purpose.

by Richard Farley on Dec 7, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Completely off topic...

don’t know if you know already but Pasarella won th river elections after the recount by two votes, because they validated some votes that in the first count were invalid, so the other party has presented a sue to the regular courts.

now if FIFA were to keep the position he took with Chile, shouldn’t they be trheatening with take Argentina out of the world cup?

"Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that." Bill Shankly

And Vincent saw the corn
And Einstein the number
And Zeppelin the Zeppelin
And Johan saw the ball
--Dutch cabaret song

by SantiagoColombia on Dec 7, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Great point, but ...

… we both know why that will never happen. Grondona was the power that allowed the Chile threat to happen, IMO, and he will be the power that will allow the Argentine league to police itself. Their view /could/ be that the this is an internal club issue and not one which affect the competition (whereas the civil court in Talca had intervened into the relegation playoffs).

Please are going to say Argentina is a mess (true) and that River is a joke (true), but it doesn’t take anything away from the league, to me. We say Banfield climb back to the top of the Primera. Nothing that goes on at El Monumental can overshadow that, for me.

by Richard Farley on Dec 7, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly, the improbable win by Arsenal in Rosario (N.O.B.) has completely taken the spotlight away form the mess that is River, and is always nice that the things that happen in the field are more important that warh happens off the field (Although the newell’s fan rioted after the game)

"Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that." Bill Shankly

And Vincent saw the corn
And Einstein the number
And Zeppelin the Zeppelin
And Johan saw the ball
--Dutch cabaret song

by SantiagoColombia on Dec 7, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

It's really exciting ...

… at the top, and we have had two shocking results in the last two weeks. We have two matches to go, things are sorted at the top, and we have two teams that are competing for the title. Sure, I kind of wish that it could finish like last season’s Apertura, but who doesn’t? You can’t have that every year.

And then we have the World Club Cup kicking off on the 9th, and although they won’t play until the semis, you know that Estudiantes is carrying the flag of a whole continent, and no continent cares about this tournament more than South America.

by Richard Farley on Dec 7, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I loved the intercontinental cup, because the europeans used to say they didn’t care about, but when they lost it they were always so mad, and now the world club cup give us a chance to prove that we have the only teams capables of beating the Europeans, even without the big budgets, and we take great pride in that.

"Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that." Bill Shankly

And Vincent saw the corn
And Einstein the number
And Zeppelin the Zeppelin
And Johan saw the ball
--Dutch cabaret song

by SantiagoColombia on Dec 7, 2009 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

And unfortunately ...

… given their lack of depth, Barcelona is going to have to take this competition with a grain of salt. I may be wrong. Pep might have the due respect for the competition, and with the even being a little closer to home this season, the long travel is not as much of an issue. However, if I were Pep, just now getting my team healthy and knowing my squad is to thin, I would not risk it …

… and it’s a shame.

This could turn into a minor showcase for Boselli, who could jump back to Europe on the back of a good performance in Abu Dhabi (as much a I would hate to see one of the better players in the league leaving the Primera).

by Richard Farley on Dec 7, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

A team like barca has to win everything they play so i think they will try to win it, and Messi has to play against Estudiantes, because he knows al of his relatives will be watching in Argentina.

It’s incredible that Boselli is the same guy who couldn’t get minutes in Boca because of Palermo (and now Viatri could be the next one shipped out, because of that even when he is the future) and now he is just scoring at will. Also, what would had happen if Veron would have taken the money and go to the MLS instead of being in Estudiantes?

"Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that." Bill Shankly

And Vincent saw the corn
And Einstein the number
And Zeppelin the Zeppelin
And Johan saw the ball
--Dutch cabaret song

by SantiagoColombia on Dec 7, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't make me think of that ...

… it’s just sad to think of what would have happened with both Estudiantes and Veron. Nothing dramatic … but it’s almost sad to think of how yawn that would have been.

If course, Veron is exactly the type of midfield general that would have dominated MLS. Maybe that wouldn’t have been /so/ “yawn.”

Great point re: Messi. He might skip the semis and play in the finals.

I predict we’ll see Gabriel Milito – maybe twice.

by Richard Farley on Dec 7, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

i don’t know about estudiantes’ chances against barcelona. estudiantes has not been on a slump lately and barcelona has only lost 3 games out of the last 30, going back to july! it’s the game I’m hoping for, but in the words of Veron, god help estudiantes.

don't care if i ever get back.

by AV on Dec 7, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

HAS been on a slump

don't care if i ever get back.

by AV on Dec 7, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

you’re right but every time the europeans and south americans face-off the south americans enter as underdogs and we love it, and Verón and estudiantes have that “let’s prove everyone wrong” vibe to them, it’s going to be interesting

"Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that." Bill Shankly

And Vincent saw the corn
And Einstein the number
And Zeppelin the Zeppelin
And Johan saw the ball
--Dutch cabaret song

by SantiagoColombia on Dec 7, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's another way to judge how tough a group is

What group has the best 3rd-best team, or 3rd and 4th-best teams?

I think that’s really the issue here, since the difference between finishing 1st and finishing 2nd or between finishing 3rd and finishing 4th is virtually nonexistent compared to the difference between finishing 2nd and finishing 3rd.

In theory, standard deviation should help reveal that, but if the big gap is between 3 and 4 (as in Group G) then I think the measure is a bit deceptive. I’m terrible at stats, but I’m pretty sure you could replace Portugal and North Korea with a slightly worse and slightly better team, thereby lowering the standard deviation, and make it a much easier group for Brazil and Côte d’Ivoire.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Dec 7, 2009 4:43 PM EST reply actions  

Absolutely right, Nick ...

… about the hypothetical composition of Group G. Using standard deviation like I did in Table D /helps/ (in my opinion), but you know what’s better? Looking at the groups, analyzing their players, tactics, styles, and match-ups.

And now that we’ve used the ratings to give everybody a broad overview, it’s time to get down to the nuts-and-bolts.

by Richard Farley on Dec 7, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds good to me -- I look forward to reading what you have to say

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Dec 7, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I liked this "analysis"

Its a good way of looking at things as there are too many teams and comparisons to really break everything down by eyeball.

Another way of looking at it is that there are not definitive worst groups but several bad ones.

Also group E is tougher than it looks.

Would like to see RSD instead though so you could compare variability from the different ranking systems.

All of these systems may not be very precise, but at least they can be used as guidelines.

by Cool Dudes on Dec 7, 2009 6:26 PM EST reply actions  

To be honest, cool dudes ...

… there’s a lot more I would have liked to do with this analysis, looking at it from a statistical perspective, but I don’t have the chops, and this particular project does not deserve that attention. However, we do have some analysis planned for Set Piece Analysts in the near future. We mentioned one on a podcast last week.

by Richard Farley on Dec 7, 2009 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

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SEATTLE - MAY 22:  Freddie Ljungberg #10 of the Seattle Sounders FC complains to the referee during the game against the San Jose Earthquakes on May 22, 2010 at Qwest Field in Seattle, Washington. The Earthquakes defeated the Sounders 1-0. (Photo by Otto Greule Jr/Getty Images) +1 updates

Swede Surrender: Freddie Ljungberg Traded From Seattle Sounders To Chicago Fire

COMMERCE CITY CO - JULY 4 : Omar Cummings #14 of the Colorado Rapids high fives fans after scoring a goal against the New York Red Bulls during the first half at Dick's Sporting Goods Park on July 4 2010 in Commerce City Colorado.  (Photo by Marc Piscotty/Getty Images)

Major League Soccer Weekend Preview: Finally, A Full Soccer Weekend

JOHANNESBURG, SOUTH AFRICA - JULY 02: Hans Sarpei of Ghana tackles Alvaro Fernandez of Uruguay during the 2010 FIFA World Cup South Africa Quarter Final match between Uruguay and Ghana at the Soccer City stadium on July 2, 2010 in Johannesburg, South Africa. (Photo by Cameron Spencer/Getty Images) +2 updates

So Much To Like: Seattle Signs Uruguayan International Alvaro Fernandez, Potential Third Designated Player

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